Draconaitr25
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Post by Draconaitr25 on Jul 6, 2014 12:20:21 GMT -5
I just want your opinion about it, though because of the Wi-fi connection become terminated it doesnt work anymore. Personally I believe pokegen is useful for testing battles with different pokemons. Instead of being riped apart by a 9 years old complaining they are legit. (Says the kid with: Shiny Arceus and etc.)
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zerocielX
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Post by zerocielX on Jul 6, 2014 13:26:01 GMT -5
Personally, I don't care. If everything is legal, it's alright.
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Steelgrassify
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Post by Steelgrassify on Jul 6, 2014 14:16:32 GMT -5
I think that Pokegen is something that was very useful in the past, but it's not as necessary anymore. With things like Pokemon Showdown out as far as testing teams out you can do it easily there. With breeding being much easier in game now, you don't really need to gen them in to get your perfect iv's and nature. I think if we were talking in gen 4 or something like that, I'd be talking differently. As a breeder, I have absolutely no trouble getting the right pokes I want and having them be competitively bred.
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Post by Stormy Dog Show on Jul 6, 2014 14:50:13 GMT -5
Based on how official tournaments are nowadays and the rules for Bank, Pokegen seems to be too risky. As steel said, its not as necessary anymore so its not a big deal.
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Post by Aquablast on Jul 6, 2014 16:24:14 GMT -5
Based on how official tournaments are nowadays and the rules for Bank, Pokegen seems to be too risky. As steel said, its not as necessary anymore so its not a big deal. Pokebank is not hack proof, if your Pokémon are legit looking it will accept them.
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Steelgrassify
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Post by Steelgrassify on Jul 6, 2014 16:40:51 GMT -5
They actually are starting to make it so that it detects that kind of thing, only a rumor, but I haven't been able to confirm this.
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Post by Aquablast on Jul 6, 2014 17:26:54 GMT -5
They actually are starting to make it so that it detects that kind of thing, only a rumor, but I haven't been able to confirm this. I did a test of it when Pokebank came out and I was able to transfer a shiny Pokemon that I cheated to get. (I released it because it was hacked.)
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Draconaitr25
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Post by Draconaitr25 on Jul 6, 2014 19:53:34 GMT -5
Game Freak announced that the Kalos Pentagon present in the pokemon stats not only means where you caught the pokemon, but also if its legit. A pokemon without the pentagon is a glitched pokemon and thus, hacked.
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zerocielX
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Post by zerocielX on Jul 6, 2014 20:03:31 GMT -5
All Pokemon transferred through PokeBank do not have the pentagon, whether they were obtained legitimately or not. All that pentagon really means in that the pokemon can be used in VGC.
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Draconaitr25
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Post by Draconaitr25 on Jul 6, 2014 22:38:55 GMT -5
(*facepalms*) Thanks Zerociel.
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Skarm
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Post by Skarm on Jul 11, 2014 20:10:59 GMT -5
The pentagon stands for Kalos born. so hatched or caught only in kalos. Now on pokegen and pokebank. pokebank takes pokemon whose PID is legit. Getting a legit PID is hard and nearly impossible doing it by scratch unless you can do codes. Thus people who pokegen to pokebank transfer use pokecheck pokecheck is a place where people virtually store their pokemon. in short: people find a pokemon that is all green(means full legit, the site labels it as green) They use that all green pokemon to alter ivs, stats, nature moves, abilities. OFC all in the rules of the game, no wondertomb or speedboost bishop,changing shiny and place caught can fuck it up and get your ass caught by pokebank or changing triner data can also fuck up the process so if the trainer is called fucknuts it must stay that way or poke bank won't take it. after that you upload it to BW/BW2 then transfer to x and y cause the PID and everything else was green(legit) to begin with the changes you made is technically legit you just probably changed up some evs with no efforts and edit ivs with no breeding. However it doesn't work all the time, usually if you teach an event move or something else you got to make sure that pokecheck says it's green (legit) and says that it's been received by [enter event here]
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Post by ElementalHD on Jul 14, 2014 21:34:22 GMT -5
From someone who used PokeGen and PokeSAV(back in 4th Gen) all I have to say is that it was an awesome tool for those that wanted to play the game and do the battling, but didn't have the time to breed (like myself). I enjoyed using it and wish it was still useful. I always made my Pokemon legit and it was complicated at first but Pokegen was able to make it simple enough for me to get it. Oh well... I guess I can give breeding a chance haha!
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Post by soulred12 on Jul 15, 2014 13:16:53 GMT -5
Pokegenning is generally used for one's own purposes, to make a team without having to breed, etc. Which I find a bit lazy especially with the new easier breeding mechanics and the fact that you can always test a team on Showdown before breeding it. But at the same time, genning pokemon for your own use doesn't really affect anybody else.
Except that it kind of does, for a similar reason as cloning (which I have a bigger problem with). People spend lots of time to make their team or get competitive shinies legitimately, but the use of pokegenning makes that kind of effort and the end result less valuable because what's the value in a legitimately-made team if everyone around you is making the same thing in seconds with pokegenning tools? First of all the only person who will really know that your team is legit is you, because others might assume you genned or even if not having a shiny team just isn't that special anymore because so many people can get shiny teams in seconds. Legitimacy doesn't show up, only the alternate color and the pretty sparkles which of course is the same whether the team was hacked or not.
Cloning is even worse than Genning IMO, for similar reasons though. Whenever an event comes out like Pokeball Vivillon, or perhaps an event berry like the enigma berry, the people who get the event will simply mass-clone it and distribute it everywhere and to everyone, then they clone it and distribute it more. Eventually EVERYONE has one of them, and we should all know from basic economics what that means--its value goes down.
Same for cloning (and genning) shinies, as mentioned above. The more shinies there are floating around, the less valuable they are because they become more commonplace so they're not as special.
So that's why I don't really approve of genning or cloning, even though technically the genner/cloner is only directly affecting their own game.
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Skarm
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Post by Skarm on Jul 15, 2014 15:50:45 GMT -5
I personally fail to see the problem if people clone,cheating legally, obtaining with no effort your pokemon, value can go down but who the heck cares? If you're not a casual player this should not affect you in the least, if you are a competitive player stay competitive, to most trainers(not casuals)Pokemon are simply tools of battling it's why most of us use showdown or PO, cause there we can get our tools to do what we like the most, it's why most of us skip the cartridge games after a year and go back to showdown where our tools are more customizable. Proof; look through your cartridge box, see how many of your pokemon are basic smogon set, about 70% now look through showdown, halve are things you wanted to try out and you could because the tools are more accessible there without the need to waste time.
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Post by soulred12 on Jul 16, 2014 12:58:18 GMT -5
I personally fail to see the problem if people clone,cheating legally, obtaining with no effort your pokemon, value can go down but who the heck cares? If you're not a casual player this should not affect you in the least, if you are a competitive player stay competitive, to most trainers(not casuals)Pokemon are simply tools of battling it's why most of us use showdown or PO, cause there we can get our tools to do what we like the most, it's why most of us skip the cartridge games after a year and go back to showdown where our tools are more customizable. Proof; look through your cartridge box, see how many of your pokemon are basic smogon set, about 70% now look through showdown, halve are things you wanted to try out and you could because the tools are more accessible there without the need to waste time. Collectors and breeders care. (And you can be either casual or competitive while being a collector and/or a breeder at the same time.) This is the same reason no country with a paper currency lets people counterfeit. If they did the value of the currency would plummet (inflation) which means the same amount of money can end up only being able to buy 10% or even 1% of what it used to. Even though the counterfeiter only padded his own wallet with the fake money, he does affect me because his counterfeiting affects the value of the money in my wallet.
Same thing here. The more someone else mass-produces rare or hard to obtain things through cloning or hacking, the less someone else will be willing to trade me for my legitimate ones. So just like with the money, the cloner has affected me indirectly because he has affected what I can get in a trade for my pokemon.Now, you might say that people are cloning everything, so it doesn't matter because everything else goes down in value too so exchange rates stay the same. But that's not actually true, at least for the people who don't cheat either on principle or because they don't have the money to spend on cheating devices. For people like that, we have to work much harder to get the same thing that others can get in much less time. If I can make something in six hours that it takes a cheater fifteen minutes to do, then he has made my time 24x less valuable, because what I can do in six hours, he can do illegitimately in 1/24 the time. And yes, Showdown does exist, but in my mind that just means there's even less of an excuse to cheat.
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