digremlin
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Post by digremlin on Mar 10, 2014 12:16:59 GMT -5
Hey guys, it's the world's worst team builder back again but this time i've made a team that i like and i think might be good. This is on showdown and i've got a few of the pokemon on my 3ds. Here it is: Charizard Charizardite Y Timid HP 4/ SpAtt 252/ Spe 252 Blaze Flamethrower (although it's heat wave on my 3ds) Focus Blast Solar Beam Air Slash
Politoed Leftovers HP 252/ Def 252/ Sp Att 252 Bold Drizzle Surf Toxic Protect Ice Beam
Sliggoo Eviolite HP 252/ Def 4/ Sp Def 252 Calm Hydration Rest Toxic Dragon Pulse Sludge Wave
Staraptor Choice Scarf HP 4/ Att 252/ Spe 252 Jolly Reckless Brave Bird Double Edge Close Combat U-Turn
Excadrill Air Balloon HP 252/ Att 252/ Sp Def 4 Adamant Mold Breaker Earthquake Iron Head Rapid Spin Rock Slide
Azumarill Life Orb Hp 252/ Att 252/ Sp Def 4 Adamant Huge Power Waterfall Play Rough Return Aqua Jet
Let me know how bad it is, thanks!
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Wolf Prince
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Mar 10, 2014 12:51:52 GMT -5
Post by Wolf Prince on Mar 10, 2014 12:51:52 GMT -5
The greatest problem i see is once Azumarill is down Terrakion will be a great problem.
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Post by soulred12 on Mar 10, 2014 14:26:09 GMT -5
You'll want Fire Blast on YZard, and then you can get rid of Air Slash for something like roost or earthquake since sun-boosted Fire Blast ALWAYS hits harder than air slash, under all circumstances but two. Because of the way the types interact, it is only usefully stronger against fire/fighting pokemon, i.e. infernape since Blaziken and Emboar are never seen in OU. It's also stronger against water/fighting, but YZard has Solar Beam for them. Even when fire blast is neutral and air slash is SE, sun-boosted fire blast is still stronger.
Politoed and YZard on the same team don't seem like the greatest combo though, especially since nobody else on your team cares about the weather except Azumarill for rain, and Excadrill actually prefers no weather since it is weak to both fire and water attacks. I would say consider a different mega instead of YZard, perhaps Mega Blastoise so you can still have a powerful special hitter but one that benefits from the rain. You do risk having too much of an electric weakness, but Excadrill more or less mitigates that especially since it's also neutral to HP Ice. Maybe consider Assault Vest on it since you don't have any support moves anyway, and you have Staraptor (and Zard unless your replace him) to avoid earthquakes or walls like Sliggoo and Politoed to tank them.
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digremlin
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Mar 10, 2014 14:52:53 GMT -5
Post by digremlin on Mar 10, 2014 14:52:53 GMT -5
You'll want Fire Blast on YZard, and then you can get rid of Air Slash for something like roost or earthquake since sun-boosted Fire Blast ALWAYS hits harder than air slash, under all circumstances but two. Because of the way the types interact, it is only usefully stronger against fire/fighting pokemon, i.e. infernape since Blaziken and Emboar are never seen in OU. It's also stronger against water/fighting, but YZard has Solar Beam for them. Even when fire blast is neutral and air slash is SE, sun-boosted fire blast is still stronger. Politoed and YZard on the same team don't seem like the greatest combo though, especially since nobody else on your team cares about the weather except Azumarill for rain, and Excadrill actually prefers no weather since it is weak to both fire and water attacks. I would say consider a different mega instead of YZard, perhaps Mega Blastoise so you can still have a powerful special hitter but one that benefits from the rain. You do risk having too much of an electric weakness, but Excadrill more or less mitigates that especially since it's also neutral to HP Ice. Maybe consider Assault Vest on it since you don't have any support moves anyway, and you have Staraptor (and Zard unless your replace him) to avoid earthquakes or walls like Sliggoo and Politoed to tank them. ok then, i wanted to avoid missing too much with YZard but i guess the added power will allow for roost to heal up. i see the point that you're making about the weather but sliggoo relies on weather completely. assault vest excadrill sounds like a good idea though. to give you an idea of how i play, i'm going to link some replays below. replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-96339042replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-74826189replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-72755249i personally think that with the weather nerf, dual weather works but i may try something different and see how it goes. also, i was thinking of changing my azumarill to belly drum, sitrus berry, would that work?
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Mar 10, 2014 16:19:33 GMT -5
Post by soulred12 on Mar 10, 2014 16:19:33 GMT -5
ok then, i wanted to avoid missing too much with YZard but i guess the added power will allow for roost to heal up. i see the point that you're making about the weather but sliggoo relies on weather completely. assault vest excadrill sounds like a good idea though. to give you an idea of how i play, i'm going to link some replays below. replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-96339042replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-74826189replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-72755249i personally think that with the weather nerf, dual weather works but i may try something different and see how it goes. also, i was thinking of changing my azumarill to belly drum, sitrus berry, would that work? I agree, Sliggoo wants the rain, which is why I think you should keep Politoed and replace YZard with something else that wouldn't interrupt your rain. Dual weather isn't so bad, but when one of your weather only helps one pokemon and actually hurts some of the others (Azumarill and Excadrill) it might not be a good idea. It also cuts off Sliggoo's free recovery if YZard switches in while the rain is still going. You could even switch YZard with something that appreciates the weakening of fire moves, like Mega Scizor, though that might overload you too much with physical attackers. You might also consider damp rock on Politoed. It is a trade-off for the loss of leftovers, but consider that having to switch in more often could lead to more hazard damage (or taking more attacks on the switch-in) which could offset the leftovers recovery.
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digremlin
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Mar 10, 2014 16:37:01 GMT -5
Post by digremlin on Mar 10, 2014 16:37:01 GMT -5
I agree, Sliggoo wants the rain, which is why I think you should keep Politoed and replace YZard with something else that wouldn't interrupt your rain. Dual weather isn't so bad, but when one of your weather only helps one pokemon and actually hurts some of the others (Azumarill and Excadrill) it might not be a good idea. It also cuts off Sliggoo's free recovery if YZard switches in while the rain is still going. You could even switch YZard with something that appreciates the weakening of fire moves, like Mega Scizor, though that might overload you too much with physical attackers. You might also consider damp rock on Politoed. It is a trade-off for the loss of leftovers, but consider that having to switch in more often could lead to more hazard damage (or taking more attacks on the switch-in) which could offset the leftovers recovery. that is a tough call. politoed being more defensive and there to take hits means that i don't want to take away lefties but the damp rock will help out my sliggoo stalling a lot. an idea that i just had was a mega ampharos with thunder, the rain helps it out and it's special attack more than makes up for the loss of YZard. however, i just don't like relying on very slow pokemon (hence the scarfed staraptor)
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Mar 10, 2014 17:24:58 GMT -5
Post by soulred12 on Mar 10, 2014 17:24:58 GMT -5
that is a tough call. politoed being more defensive and there to take hits means that i don't want to take away lefties but the damp rock will help out my sliggoo stalling a lot. an idea that i just had was a mega ampharos with thunder, the rain helps it out and it's special attack more than makes up for the loss of YZard. however, i just don't like relying on very slow pokemon (hence the scarfed staraptor) Mega Ampharos might actually be a good idea, as it would provide even more defense to electric moves. But, you'll have to worry about having two fairy weaknesses which may or may not be a big deal to your team. I'd recommend C+Ping the team to a new team in Showdown and trying out some edits. Mega Ampharos is definitely something to try. He plays primarily as a bulky pivot, but a slow but strong thunder set could work too, especially given its hefty defenses.
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Mar 13, 2014 18:22:10 GMT -5
Post by Steelgrassify on Mar 13, 2014 18:22:10 GMT -5
I wonder how an Agility Mega-Amp would work out, but this team sounds interesting and takes me back to the days of my dual weather teams. Good luck
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Mar 13, 2014 21:31:02 GMT -5
Post by Wolf Prince on Mar 13, 2014 21:31:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure for agility mega ampharos, as several things would force switch it out, but what about thunderwave>Agility?
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digremlin
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Mar 14, 2014 2:51:28 GMT -5
Post by digremlin on Mar 14, 2014 2:51:28 GMT -5
t-wave could definitely come in handy so i think i may use that even if it means no toxic on some pokemon. i think just because i like this team that i'll make a new team with mega ampharos but it'll be pretty much the same
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Post by Rychu725 on Mar 14, 2014 3:41:04 GMT -5
This team is good, he smacked my ass with it not too long ago.
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digremlin
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Post by digremlin on Mar 14, 2014 11:31:11 GMT -5
This team is good, he smacked my ass with it not too long ago. i know, i think i linked it as well
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