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Post by Akatsukistudios9 on Jan 11, 2014 23:48:55 GMT -5
All three what? XD all three post above mine or what? specify man xD
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Post by Corporal Levi on Jan 11, 2014 23:53:59 GMT -5
For starters, there isn't a single priority move with more than base 80 power, and both priority moves that have consistently more than 40 base power have their drawbacks, yet here we have a 120 base power priority move.
I would love to know the stats backing this guy up.
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Post by Akatsukistudios9 on Jan 12, 2014 0:06:11 GMT -5
For starters, there isn't a single priority move with more than base 80 power, and both priority moves that have consistently more than 40 base power have their drawbacks, yet here we have a 120 base power priority move. I would love to know the stats backing this guy up. Well stats wise high attack/special attack, all other stats, crap. also not sure if you saw but, those were his only attacking moves. and he doesnt even have both at once they switch between each other so really he only has 1 attacking move that interchanges between sp attack and attack. and if you think im really that broken look above theres someone with a 300 base power move or something along the lines of that, not to mention the fact that spriters are usually stronger than regular pokemon for god knows what reason. and before you even question my ability, its not that broken if i can think of 1 thing that can break it. and i can. mold breaker but hey thats just my view on things.
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Post by Corporal Levi on Jan 12, 2014 0:19:54 GMT -5
What would be numerical values to its stats? Talonflame is top-tier OU despite low defenses, a mediocre attack stat and a double weakness to stealth rock almost entirely because of its priority Brave Bird. Ghost provides ridiculous neutral coverage right now, so as long as this guy has more than base 81 attack it is at the very least able to cement itself as one of the best pokes available in OU.
I guess it's still a fair bit less broken than the poke listed in the post above, though .-.
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jan 12, 2014 0:30:03 GMT -5
So at half like +2 everything, in a pinch(Red color bar) all stats would be +4...not even Arceus's ability from Conquest(Omnipotence) was this overpowered, but well maybe it isn't overpowered if it can't-
(\._./) you will reach +6 just spamming recovery, since it changes health when you recover more than half health.
If all stats rise +2 it means your acc is also rised and makes this move more overpowered than V-create on Mega Charizard X!
...DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS OVERPOWERED?!
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Post by Corporal Levi on Jan 12, 2014 0:33:53 GMT -5
Something tells me some of these pokes weren't designed for a balanced competitive metagame
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Post by Akatsukistudios9 on Jan 12, 2014 0:44:33 GMT -5
:U actually i don't have assigned stats simply because so many sprite series now-a-days use freestyle fighting animation just a little more than pokemon style fighting. then again, i view sprites and spriters, as well as some other people, different than pokemon, almost humanlike characters so i don't really like to compare them to pokemon outside of abilities and attacks(in some cases, not all). Thats why yes, compared to pokemon i am pretty broken, but when comparing myself to other sprites and spriters i am not that broken at all.
its like comparing one of my god sprites to arceus, while yes arceus is "god" of the pokemon world it is still limited to its rules while soaron or ulteon(my god sprites) are more...god like with infinite times more power than the average sprite.
Do you get what i am saying?
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jan 12, 2014 0:55:41 GMT -5
I can only tell as sprite series progressed so did overpowered characters.
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Post by Akatsukistudios9 on Jan 12, 2014 1:17:23 GMT -5
I can only tell as sprite series progressed so did overpowered characters. My sprites power and such is based off of power levels of other spriters i know, dfreak makashu neox neon ect. We are overpowered compared to pokemon yes, but thats because we share a belief that spriters and sprites are in a tier higher than anything pokemon has.
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jan 12, 2014 1:30:24 GMT -5
So you are saying your sprites are better than Gamefreak ever did? Or you are saying the sprites/characters can basically bend time, space and existence at will?
Setting aside that, if you keep basing your power from other sprites you will make an endless chain in which the further they progress the more overpowered they become. It is only a matter of time for eventually the characters to break the +6 stat limit.
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Post by Akatsukistudios9 on Jan 12, 2014 2:38:44 GMT -5
So you are saying your sprites are better than Gamefreak ever did? Or you are saying the sprites/characters can basically bend time, space and existence at will? Setting aside that, if you keep basing your power from other sprites you will make an endless chain in which the further they progress the more overpowered they become. It is only a matter of time for eventually the characters to break the +6 stat limit. what? based on look alone maybe some, i mean i didnt make this a fellow spriter did and yes that is sprite, and it is much better then gamefreaks sprites. Wolf not unless they are on a god tier, like the sprite shown above, sprites cannot bend space and time (this is based of my knowledge of my sprites and others i know, there is probably someone out there who has made an extremely OP sprite) also with that argument, what about Final fantasy sprites or digimon sprites, or any other sort of sprites that aren't pokemon sprites? are they bound to this battle style to just because "they're a sprite" I'm looking forward to the day when spriters break away from nintendo's battle style rules, i mean we already have started with free style battling. Does it matter if we tweak nintendo's idea to make it better so that we can climb the ladder of power to make incredible beings? i like nintendo's idea but it does have its flaw like limiting arceus, a "god", to the same rules as a magikarp. Sprites, unless mentioned otherwise, are individuals, unlike i dunno say mareep where their are an infinite number of them theres only one of that one sprite in existence so why can't it grow in power to break the wall nintendo has put up. Wolf i get what your saying. i truly do. i just don't agree with it, while your basing it off pokemon logic, which i can respect, im basing mine more off a tactical fighting mindset which would allow these things. Is it so wrong for me to think like that? again i get what you guys are saying; compared to pokemon they are OP...extremely OP, and yes one day we probably will reach a point where there will be more than +6 for stats, but hey why not? it might be fun to see (even though series wise taking multiple turns to raise stats is usually a crap idea) Do you get what i'm saying? Just think about it.
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Post by Corporal Levi on Jan 12, 2014 10:33:30 GMT -5
I would like to set some rough ground rules for how Pokemon are assigned stats in Pokemon. I'll skip over HP and Special Defense because I have no idea how Gamefreak judges these, but the other four are much easier to measure.
Attack: Gyarados (base 125) - able to crush cities Machamp (base 130) - able to punch smaller enemies to the moon Tyranitar (base 134) - able to split mountains by simply walking near them Groudon (base 150) - able to form large land masses out of the sea with its earthquakes
So if your Pokemon is unable to split continents every time it goes for its morning jog, then it should have less base attack than Groudon. Keep in mind that this doesn't include using superpowers to break these continents, for that would be under Special Attack.
Defense: Metang (base 100) - unable to be even scratched by a collision with a jet plane Rhydon (base 120) - able to live in molten lava of 3600 degrees farenheit Cloyster (bae 180) - entirely immune to physical damage
Being completely unable to be harmed by any physical means whatsoever would net you Cloyster's defense.
Special Attack: Rhydon (base 45) - possesses signs of intelligence Metagross (base 95) - possesses the intelligence of a supercomputer Alakazam (base 135) - possesses an IQ of approximately 5000. No person has been recorded to have an IQ of near 300. Dialga (base 150) - able to manipulate time on a whim
Godlike entity? Base 150 Special Attack.
Speed: Pidgeot (base 101) - Mach 2 Latios (base 110) - able to overtake a jet plane
Not much to work with here, but w/e
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Post by Akatsukistudios9 on Jan 12, 2014 12:18:35 GMT -5
Yeah that would be true except for the fact that deoxys-attack has a 180 base stat for attack and special attack, so what does that mean for when it goes for morning jogs? Also your kinda giving me stuff I CANT work with "Alakazam (base 135) - possesses an IQ of approximately 5000. No person has been recorded to have an IQ of near 300." and why should a god like being such as dialga be limited to 150, it can bend time, all it really has to do is to bend time sending its enemies into a time before earth existed leaving them to suffocate in the empty void of space.
So yeah lets limit my god sprite, who contains every uninhabited universe in its wings, and limit that behemoth to 150 special attack. totally fair. -.- This is why i hate base stats.
The only one of those i can agree on with you is the speed stat you set up. though if we were to put this system into circulation than why should there be one person who makes it while other spriters must follow it? (even though most spriters will disregard it)
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Post by Aquablast on Jan 12, 2014 12:40:10 GMT -5
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jan 12, 2014 12:41:00 GMT -5
So you are saying your sprites are better than Gamefreak ever did? Or you are saying the sprites/characters can basically bend time, space and existence at will? Setting aside that, if you keep basing your power from other sprites you will make an endless chain in which the further they progress the more overpowered they become. It is only a matter of time for eventually the characters to break the +6 stat limit. what? based on look alone maybe some, i mean i didnt make this a fellow spriter did and yes that is sprite, and it is much better then gamefreaks sprites. Wolf not unless they are on a god tier, like the sprite shown above, sprites cannot bend space and time (this is based of my knowledge of my sprites and others i know, there is probably someone out there who has made an extremely OP sprite) also with that argument, what about Final fantasy sprites or digimon sprites, or any other sort of sprites that aren't pokemon sprites? are they bound to this battle style to just because "they're a sprite" I'm looking forward to the day when spriters break away from nintendo's battle style rules, i mean we already have started with free style battling. Does it matter if we tweak nintendo's idea to make it better so that we can climb the ladder of power to make incredible beings? i like nintendo's idea but it does have its flaw like limiting arceus, a "god", to the same rules as a magikarp. Sprites, unless mentioned otherwise, are individuals, unlike i dunno say mareep where their are an infinite number of them theres only one of that one sprite in existence so why can't it grow in power to break the wall nintendo has put up. Wolf i get what your saying. i truly do. i just don't agree with it, while your basing it off pokemon logic, which i can respect, im basing mine more off a tactical fighting mindset which would allow these things. Is it so wrong for me to think like that? again i get what you guys are saying; compared to pokemon they are OP...extremely OP, and yes one day we probably will reach a point where there will be more than +6 for stats, but hey why not? it might be fun to see (even though series wise taking multiple turns to raise stats is usually a crap idea) Do you get what i'm saying? Just think about it. I am not against you and spriters to be different and have their own style, but of course this means if you can't follow pokemon rules and you cannot compare yourself to real pokemon in the idea that you are superior in a form as you do not operate in the same universe/rules. Final fantasy characters are from their own sepparate world which operates under different rules, so if they are to be in a pokemon world their stats would also change to fit the same rules, think as if we were to take arceus into the spriter's world we would need to double Arceus's base stats and give him attacks with 500 power and rise each stat for every turn >_<. I am just slightly annoyed by the belief you have"we share a belief that spriters and sprites are in a tier higher than anything pokemon has." As for art style, the first pokemon games (gen 1-3) were bound by the capabilities of the gaming systems they were in. The 4th and 5th gen were a slight fail as other games demonstrated they could run 3d graphics in RPG games(Such as Golden sun Dark Dawn) maybe then you could say you were slightly superior in the art part, but now gen 6 has changed the sprites into 3d models. Not to mention Gamefreak company has(had?) it's own made graphic dessigning/editing program, attempt to make a sprite with only designing/graphic editing programs made by yourself(No paint, photoshop, gimp, CorelDraw).
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