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Post by Rychu725 on Jul 18, 2013 13:57:25 GMT -5
Hey guys, I wanted to update you guys about a few things that have happened in the Pokemon competitive community.
The big thing is that Landorus-I is now moving up to Ubers...I thought it was good in OU, but certainly not good enough for Ubers!
In UU they are suspect testing Froslass. I don't think it will go OU, but we will see.
Lastly, Snow Warning is being tested in RU.
What are you guys' thoughts?
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jul 18, 2013 15:23:30 GMT -5
Mainly i would like to say Landorus is not fit for ubers. Landorus Incarnation might be good in sandstorm due to Sand force+ Rock polish EQ stab. However it's x4 weakness is what bounds it to OU, seeing the high amount of Ice shard and high speed ice beam users(Starmie, Mamoswine, Abomasnow, Donphan, Mewtwo, Genesect, etc). Not to mention with several bulky pokemon in Ubbers that Landorus can't take out with one blow such as Giratina and Palkia who can hit it back harder. In my opinion it's previous spot in OU was desserved.
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Post by zerocielX on Jul 18, 2013 15:24:26 GMT -5
I'm kind of pissed that Landorus-I got banned. Now I have to find a suitable replacement for my Sandstorm team >:[
I'm kind of hoping Froslass gets kicked out to BL. I freaking hate that thing.
There was Hail in RU? I haven't played in a while...
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Post by zerocielX on Jul 18, 2013 15:53:13 GMT -5
Mainly i would like to say Landorus is not fit for ubers. Landorus Incarnation might be good in sandstorm due to Sand force+ Rock polish EQ stab. However it's x4 weakness is what bounds it to OU, seeing the high amount of Ice shard and high speed ice beam users(Starmie, Mamoswine, Abomasnow, Donphan, Mewtwo, Genesect, etc). Not to mention with several bulky pokemon in Ubbers that Landorus can't take out with one blow such as Giratina and Palkia who can hit it back harder. In my opinion it's previous spot in OU was desserved. The reason why Landorus got banned was because of the Sheer Force Rock Polish set. Given his good stat distribution, and many moves in his arsenal to abuse Sheer Force with, he hit like a fucking nuke. It had no real counters outside of Specially defensive Bronzong and Specially defensive Celebi, since everything gets easily 2hko'd or just flat out ohko'd. This made Landorus the most potent late game sweeper in the game, similiarly to how Genesect worked.
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jul 18, 2013 16:18:07 GMT -5
The mentioned might be true, however i wouldn't call it hard to counter. As far as i am aware of the most common rock polish set involves Earth power and stone edge, which can be stopped by anything that has a decent defense stats. In other terms a Celebi, Skarmory, Blissey, Gliscor, Swampert several others. Can take it's hit pretty easy, what is that makes the difference would be it's third move, which in most of the cases is U-turn Superpower or Hidden power Fire/Ice. But choosing one makes it vulnerable to something else. Hidden power ice makes it weak to Skarmory, U-turn makes it weak to gliscor, SUperpower makes it weak to gliscor aswell. Fire makes it weak to swampert. The only thing that makes it hard to stop is if you use him correctly. Not to mention anything with a good enough stat can OHKO him with ice shard, Donphan might not OHKO it but it can take his hits easily, and if it has a super effective special move it still relies on it's sturdy to take one hit which is enough to Kill landorus on the second turn.
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Post by zerocielX on Jul 18, 2013 16:55:54 GMT -5
Well Sheer Force Lando runs Earth Power, Focus Blast, and HP ice fir coverage. A boosted LO Focus can even 2hko Blissey after Stealth Rocks and at least one layer of Spikes. When the best special wall in the game gets 2hko'd, then you know you have a problem.
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jul 18, 2013 17:44:29 GMT -5
*Sigh* all special? I've been quite off competitive considering the last time Landorus I would run commonly stone edge, EQ and Super power. And about that set considering how common rotom is... Hydropump=Bye bye. Ofcourse there are several others to counter that set notably pokemon with levitate such as Bronzong(With it's gyroball and the opponent having +2 speed), Cresselia,weezing. It may be blissey is the greatest special wall but what makes it able to die to a special attack is having the fight weakness, no pokemon can hide it's weaknesses, like Landorus can't hide it's ice weakness. Not to mention in Ubers he will get outclassed fast considering mewtwo's speed+Ice beam and as mentioned the high amount of bulk out there.
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Post by zerocielX on Jul 18, 2013 17:50:09 GMT -5
That's why it was banned. It cause a drastic change in the metagame by forcing people to run uncommon pokemon to deal with. It was overcentralizing in the same way Genesect was before it went uber.
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jul 18, 2013 18:19:25 GMT -5
I still don't see why Genesect got banned and Landorus I is getting banned. Several people make a big deal, i mean Garchomp was banned once because it got hard to take him out in sandstorm and their doing same exact thing with Landorus.
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Post by BpDolfinh on Jul 18, 2013 20:05:57 GMT -5
I've never run frosslass, but it still feels like the best support lead in UU to me. I could see it being in BL.
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Post by Rychu725 on Jul 19, 2013 21:55:09 GMT -5
Wolf prince: Genesect was way too over powered in OU! You could run Scarf, Band, E-Belt, Specs, Normal Gem Explosion. This thing was a big threat. Nothing could counter it, Ferro get roasted by Flamethrower, Blissey gets hit hard by Iron Head and Genesect's other Physical moves, etc. So, in a nutshell, Genesect was banned because he could go physical or special, and you could run many different sets...making him extremely OP.
Zerocielx: I disagree with what you are saying about people needing to make a spot for a Pokemon just to wall Landorus. The only Pokemon I see people personally putting a spot on their team to wall a Pokemon is Kelldeo (which is better than Landorus). Landorus isn't really like Genesect, it mainly is only special, it really only has one moveset, and he needs to set up before he can sweep. Yes, I do agree he is pretty good and can sweep teams after he gets up a Rock Polish. That is pretty much the reason I don't think he is Uber material.
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Post by Rychu725 on Jul 19, 2013 22:01:30 GMT -5
I've never run frosslass, but it still feels like the best support lead in UU to me. I could see it being in BL. I'm sorry, but I don't really see it going BL because wouldn't you agree that pretty much what you do with Froslass is you set up 2 layers of Spikes, then it dies. Or you set up a layer of Spikes and kill one Pokemon with Destiny Bond. I don't see it does a whole lot in UU to be honest behinds the things I just mentioned and I certainly don't see anyone using it in OU (Because you can't really play BL)
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Post by Wolf Prince on Jul 19, 2013 23:13:08 GMT -5
Wolf prince: Genesect was way too over powered in OU! You could run Scarf, Band, E-Belt, Specs, Normal Gem Explosion. This thing was a big threat. Nothing could counter it, Ferro get roasted by Flamethrower, Blissey gets hit hard by Iron Head and Genesect's other Physical moves, etc. So, in a nutshell, Genesect was banned because he could go physical or special, and you could run many different sets...making him extremely OP. I just want to say...fire. Not only as how to attack him but how to defend from him, both it's stab moves being unefective against fire and having no move to hit fire hard unless you count hidden power which due to it's low pow it can't do much. Not to mention that a good fire type can survive all it's attacks but also OHKO it back with almost any STAB move.
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Post by zerocielX on Jul 19, 2013 23:27:12 GMT -5
Genesect's only real counter was specially defensive Heatran. Scarf Nape could revenge kill easily, but that didn't stop him from going on a rampage. He went Uber because he was TOO good for OU. He had too little counters. Landorus was on the same boat, since he can run an extremely effective mixed sets with the Scarf or EBelt, Life Orb Sheer Force sets, or even Swords Dance. Landorus-I was just as versatile as Genesect was (Maybe not as OP, but versatile all the same).
BUT, I still found it kind of random that he was suspected and banned, since he really wasn't too high on the usage stats (#26, which is basically the halfway point.) And keep in m,ind that Ubers is just a banlist for OU. It doesn't matter if Landorus is good enough to be there or not. Or else, Salamence would not have gone Uber last gen since it was sorely outclassed by Rayquaza in every way possible...
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Post by TheHunterDag on Jul 20, 2013 17:02:44 GMT -5
Scarfed Chandelure can deal with Frosslass pretty easily. I personally think she's fine in UU.
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