xeno
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Post by xeno on Dec 19, 2013 0:55:16 GMT -5
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER POKEBANK OU TEAM
Mind you this is my first attempt at a Gen 6 team and so I am completely open to suggestions and criticisms, as long as they will help me improve my team. I like how this team is starting to look, and so I don't wanna do anything too drastic, but I'd be willing to change 1 or 2 Pokes if it is in the best interest of the team. Thanks for all your guys' help! Let's make this team the best it can be! Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Iron Barbs EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd) - Protect - Power Whip - Spikes - Leech Seed Well, Ferro is kinda self-explanatory, his use in this team is no different than standard. His job is to phase, and set up Spikes and Leech Seed. Thunder Wave to disarm any Volcarona's or other such sweepers. I am not sure if I should switch Spikes with Stealth Rocks though, so I would appreciate some help on that.
Scizor (M) @ Scizorite Trait: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef Brave Nature (+Atk, -Spd) - Swords Dance - Bullet Punch - Bug Bite - Aerial Ace M-Scizor is the backbone of the team, I tried to build the team around him.
Starmie @ Leftovers Trait: Analytic EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Surf - Thunderbolt - Ice Beam - Rapid Spin Starmie is one of the best water-type special sweepers, and she comes with the added bonus of Rapid Spin, which is super important to this team because of Talonflame's incredible weakness to Stealth Rock. Landorus-T (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - U-turn - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Stealth Rock Landorus-T is on this team due to his nice bulk and ground typing. Standard set for him, Stealth Rock aids Ferrothorn in setting up. Talonflame (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Gale Wings EVs: 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Brave Bird - Flare Blitz - Roost - Swords Dance Another sweeper to back up Scizor. Self-explanatory.
Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Thunder Wave - U-turn - Thunderbolt - Focus Blast Thundurus packs a huge punch specially. Prankster T-Wave OP.
*I'm bad at explaining stuff*
So yeah, there she is.
IMPORTABLE
Ferrothorn (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Iron Barbs EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd) - Protect - Power Whip - Spikes - Leech Seed
Scizor (M) @ Scizorite Trait: Technician EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Swords Dance - Bullet Punch - Bug Bite - Roost
Starmie @ Leftovers Trait: Analytic EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Surf - Thunderbolt - Ice Beam - Rapid Spin
Landorus-T (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 248 HP / 172 Def / 88 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - U-turn - Earthquake - Stone Edge - Stealth Rock
Talonflame (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Gale Wings EVs: 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Brave Bird - Flare Blitz - Roost - Swords Dance
Thundurus (M) @ Life Orb Trait: Prankster EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Thunder Wave - U-turn - Thunderbolt - Focus Blast
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Post by Corporal Levi on Dec 19, 2013 8:45:35 GMT -5
This looks like a very solid team, especially considering how it's your first team for gen 6, but I still have a few suggestions.
First off, Aerial Ace doesn't add a lot of coverage for Scizor, as its problems are primarily with steel types and bulky fire/water types, specifically Heatran, Jellicent, Gyarados, and Skarmory. You're not breaking through the last three any time soon, but for Heatran, Brick Break or Superpower would do well to hit it on the switch; Heatran's lack of reiable recovery will aid you in wearing it down throughout the match. Another option is Roost; this takes advantage of Mega Scizor's phenomenal bulk to set up more Swords Dances.
Vaporeon honestly isn't very good in the current metagame unless you are desperate for a wish-passer, and Scizor and Ferrothorn seem to be the only two who would really take advantage of it at all; the former is a sweeper, anyways, so it's not a huge deal, and if you run Roost, then the issue is mitigated entirely, while Ferrothorn has access to Leech Seed to help deal with the issue of recovery. You have a Talonflame on your team, which is hugely weak to Stealth Rock, making a Rapid Spinner ideal; for this, I recommend Starmie due to its excellent offensive potential. Alternatively, it looks as if you may have an issue with opposing Talonflame; as such, replacing Vaporeon with Rotom-W to deal with it would be a good option as well.
Do not run Recover on Trick Room Reuniclus, because you need all the coverage options you can get. More importantly, consider giving it EVs. I'm not a huge fan of Reuniclus, but it has its niche.
If you are keeping Trick Room Reuniclus, be sure to give every Pokemon except Talonflame minimum speed IVs.
That's all I have for now. Good luck!
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Post by xeno on Dec 19, 2013 14:46:09 GMT -5
Thanks a ton! I will try Starmie. So you think TR is the best option for this team?
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Post by Corporal Levi on Dec 19, 2013 15:26:00 GMT -5
I would personally venture away from Reuniclus entirely, since it doesn't offer very much for your team. Talonflame, Heatran, and Aegislash could pose as enormous threats to your team; Starmie is the only Pokemon standing in Heatran's way, Sableye's Will-o-Wisp is your only method of taking out Aegislash, and none of your Pokemon can avoid the 2HKO from Talonflame's Flare Blitz or Brave Bird. To stop these Pokemon, I would suggest a bulky ground. Hippowdon and defensive variants of Landorus-T and Garchomp come to mind; all are also capable of setting up Stealth Rock, greatly aiding in the rest of your team's sweeping potential.
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Post by Steelgrassify on Dec 19, 2013 18:41:27 GMT -5
Good thing you have ferrothorn on there, as far as the set goes I would really only recommend 1 hazard on their. It frees up Ferrothorn for Protect to scout, or some other move of your choice. It just puts too much pressure on Ferro to set up all of the hazards for your team.
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Post by Corporal Levi on Dec 19, 2013 19:00:27 GMT -5
He has thunder wave right now, which, now that I think of it, is somewhat counter-intuitive with Trick Room users, further warranting the replacement of Reuniclus. Don't forget to change all the speed IVs back to 31 and switch Scizor to Adamant if you do take out Reuniclus.
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Post by xeno on Dec 20, 2013 0:36:49 GMT -5
Okay, I will see how your suggestions work!
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Post by xeno on Dec 22, 2013 12:09:35 GMT -5
[Sorry for double-posting] I updated the OP with the new Pokemon, this team is doing a lot better already. Just wondering if there is anything else I should do with this team?
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Post by Corporal Levi on Dec 22, 2013 22:10:29 GMT -5
I still recommend running an Adamant nature on Scizor and replacing Aerial Ace with any of Brick Break, Superpower, and Roost.
Other than that, the team looks wonderful right now. Try playing around with Natural Cure over Analytic on Starmie and see which you like more; neither is strictly better than the other, as long as you don't run Illuminate. Also consider a bulkier spread with Landorus-T to check a greater variety of physical attackers; gen 5 Smogon lists a 248 HP/172 Def/88 Spe spread with a +Spe nature for the Offensive Pivot. Of course, your current spread is also viable to outspeed offensive Celebi/Ninetales/Victini as well as unboosted Salamence/Volcarona, all of which are valid threats. I might try laddering with this team a bit to see how it fares.
I started building the team and I wanted to mention that a spread of 252 HP/120 Def/136+ SpD grants one more point in total in the defenses than your current spread. This, of course, will hardly ever make a difference, but you don't really lose very much from changing the spread, so why not?
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Post by xeno on Dec 22, 2013 23:15:44 GMT -5
Haha I forgot to update Scizor, he has Roost now and Adamant nature. I will run those tests on Starmie and Lando, see how they work. Thanks a ton! And feel free to use it, Ill post an importable when I get on my computer. Thanks a ton for all your help, I really appreciate it!
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Post by Corporal Levi on Dec 22, 2013 23:47:22 GMT -5
My memory is terrible and Landorus-T actually has base 91 speed. I just lost a battle because I switched it in on a Genesect, so consider that atonement. Definitely go with the Offensive Pivot spread.
Sorry it took me so long to follow up, but getting crushed by Focus Sash Genesect really affected my rating and I ended up having to face two Conkeldurrs in a row before deciding to take a break. Now that my rating is somewhat more bearable, I can honestly say Sableye simply isn't pulling its weight. Now that its main niche as the only Kangaskhan counter in the tier is gone, I find that Sableye is rarely able to do much more than burn a Pokemon or two with so many hard-hitting tanks running around, and with the prevalence of fire-types, even this can sometimes be difficult. In its stead, I would like to suggest Thundurus, who has prankster Thunder Wave which will be similarly detrimental to the sweepers that Will-O-Wisp is crippling, while also doing very solid damage with Thunderbolt and Focus Blast and keeping the offensive momentum with U-Turn or Volt Switch. Although this may appear initially to give you a crippling weakness to rock, all common users of rock-type moves are dealt with fairly well by the rest of your team. Despite this meaning you lose your spinblocker, you don't seem particularly reliant on hazards as it is, although they are certainly helpful; besides, Defog exists, and you aren't going to block that with Sableye.
I've personally found Starmie to be lacking in power, and thus unable to effectively pressure the enemy team, even with Analytic; as such, I vastly prefer Life Orb over Leftovers. Of course, your current set is perfectly acceptable as well, since Starmie tends to die very quickly with a Life Orb; consider switching its item to see which you prefer.
I'm editing this again to say the last person I fought was not the first person to have commended "my" team. The only differences between the team I was using and the team listed on your first post other than the EV spreads and natures for Landorus-T and Scizor, which you've probably changed, were Sableye/Thundurus and Starmie's item, the latter of which made a negligible difference.
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Post by xeno on Dec 23, 2013 11:57:17 GMT -5
Okay, I switched to the Pivot spread on Lando-T, haven't noticed much of a difference but it works. I have had no such problem with Starmie before, so I am hesitant to switch to a Life Orb, because I like the survivability of Leftovers. I will give Thundurus a go. Now that he will be running T-Wave, should I drop that on Ferro?
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Post by Corporal Levi on Dec 23, 2013 12:02:00 GMT -5
It's really up to you whether you want Protect or Thunder Wave on Ferro; they're both excellent options. I know I've wished that I had Protect instead of Thunder Wave quite a few times, which would have eased prediction significantly, but Thunder Wave has been the difference between a win and a loss more than once. I would try them both.
The set for Thundurus I'm using is Thunderbolt/Focus Blast/U-Turn/Thunder Wave with a Naive nature, Life Orb, and a spread of 4 Atk/252 SpA/252 Spe, by the way.
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Post by xeno on Dec 23, 2013 12:07:32 GMT -5
Okay, I will try them both. And fix my noob Thundurus set xD
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Post by Corporal Levi on Dec 23, 2013 12:20:03 GMT -5
Xeno, what's your current PS username? I want to spectate you.
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